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Dec 5, 2012 11:00pm PST
. number two, as bill clinton and president obama point out, the math doesn't add up when you're trying to do this just on deductions. you need to do both deductions and loopholes and, of course, raise the rate. that's the only way the math works. and as far as hurt the economy, let me say for the 10,000th time, bill clinton raised tax rates on the top 2% in 1993 and we then proceeded to grow the economy by 23 million jobs. so, that's a bunch of bull, speaker boehner. >> let's go back to alex with the same question. i will argue that even though he hasn't specified the deductions or the loopholes he's going to close, the governor is right, there isn't enough at the top to close to make up for this advantage they have now but it seems he's accepting the moral argument. he's saying, the rich should get socked, too. that was an amazing admission for him to say to that. your thoughts. >> i agree with you. the fact that john boehner is out there saying we are asking the rich to pay more in taxes is not something they ever would have done in 2011. if you remember, math by details in the sitdo
MSNBC
Nov 29, 2012 11:00pm PST
wife perhaps. bill clinton will be in there campaigning. showing he's still got the chops. >> nobody has raised more money i don't think in the history of the planet for the clintons than terry mcauliffe. >> and we have cory booker running -- >> both of these are within easy traveling distance of this desk, which makes it great. >> going to take the train or the car? >> i don't know. the mobile "hardball" mobile. >> is cuccinelli far right? >> cuccinelli is a conservative individual. >> he's a far right guy. thank you. kid get his gun right after conception or not? property rights. anyway, thank you, michael steele and howard fineman. >>> up next, remember that guy who got the romney campaign logo tattooed on his face? he's having a bad case of buyer's remorse. he's thinking about giving back romney. that's ahead, and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> back to"hardball." now to the "sideshow." vice president joe biden made a surprise visit at the grand opening of washington, d.c.'s, new costco this morning, and he reminds shoppers about the fiscal cliff while he's at it.
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 3:00am PST
this because you remember, we went through this with newt. you know, bill clinton would push newt only so far, and then the conservatives in the caucus like myself and matt salmon, steve largent and others would say we're not doing a deal. we will take this place down. we're not doing a deal. and then newt would call bill clinton up and say, you're pushing me too far. you've got to work with me here. the same thing's happening right now with boehner. >> with boehner. >> the republican -- and when you start stripping people of committee -- committee seats, war breaks out and it gets really -- it happened with us. it's about to happen here. he's got to realize that boehner is his partner. >> it feels like we're at a really critical moment here with respect to boehner. and he can choose one of two paths. he could choose the recalcitrant path, which is perfectly possible, or he can say to himself, okay, i need to build a coalition for the purposes of this fiscal cliff deal. that includes house democrats. and how do i go about doing that without totally alienating the base of my party? and i'm ver
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 3:00pm PST
are live in michigan. >>> and what is michelle obama and former president bill clinton fighting for? it's a good thing. [ woman ] too weak. wears off. [ female announcer ] stop searching and start repairing. eucerin professional repair moisturizes while actually repairing very dry skin. the end of trial and error has arrived. try a free sample at eucerinus.com. ♪ [ male announcer ] campbell's green bean casserole. it's amazing what soup can do >>> scott walker is under fire after endorsing a plan to end same-day voter registration in wisconsin two weeks ago. now he's trying to calm the rumors to convince everyone, it's not a big priority for him. >> it's a ridiculous issue. my priority is about jobs, it's not a part of my legislative priorities. it hasn't been something i've thought about. >> just something he talked about? a ridiculous issue? sorry, i'm not buying that one. because on the same day that he called this a ridiculous issue, two of his buddies in the state house were actively signing up co-sponsors for the bill that would end election day registration. so he can say it's
MSNBC
Dec 1, 2012 12:00pm PST
right, we'll shift rates, even not back to the bill clinton tax levels that the republicans say they don't want to go to, but even just back to somewhere close to that. >> but do you think, i mean, if we're talking, you know, preclinton levels, we're talking north of 39%. is there wiggle room between 35% and 39%? couldn't they just say, 37% is right in the middle, 37.5% is right in the middle. >> john boehner is used to cutting deals. he has a conference that doesn't let him do it. the tea party folk have stopped him again and again and again. he made statements in the past where he had to try to round them up very forceinally and not always with great success. enough trade bait out there. the president has been out there taxing dividend income. that's something that failed when the senate tried to do it and obviously trade bait and he didn't campaign on it and he doesn't feel strong about it. >> the escape is something a lot of folks are concerned about. >> he put it out there and it could be adjusted. once you get a range, you could strike it right down the middle. there's plenty to do
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2012 8:00am PST
they talked about it because president clinton is a political wonk. what bill clinton showed during his presidency is that there's a way to show common ground with republicans who hate you. they impeached bill clinton but made a deal. they made a deal that was nor the right of where most democrats are. this president has a unique opportunity to make a deal for more towards his left. remember dick cheney said to -- speaking of sequels. remember when dick cheney said you got the high approval ratings you can spend them on the iraq war. republicans what they want is the president to spend some of his popularity and put out unpopular ideas for cuts. democrats don't have an incentive to do that. >> big news. stand by. my thanks. in need to pass along this breaking news from across the pond. we're just learning that prince william and kate middleton are expecting. this is news from clarence house. they will be having their first baby. nbc news is working further to confirm this but the rest of the royal family has said to be excited by this news. she was admitted to the hospital this afternoo
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 7:00pm PST
is a bet solution than just charging people who make a lot of money what they were paying when bill clinton was president. >> the clinton tax rates worked well, and when you look at where we really are today, although the democrats are playing really tough on these top tax rates, they have conceded about 75% of the tax debate to republicans by agreeing with them on all of the otherç rates. >> that is true, aalthough there is a matter of timing. you know, i think part of what you have to look at here is it's really hrepublicans who force this conversation about having deficit reduction right now. we shouldn't have deficit reduction right now. we should focus on jobs and employment and continued stimulus for the economy, which i was really happy about the president at least had some of that in his plan. then you ask yourself, okay, what could you do in terms of reducing the deficit that would be the least damaging, and what economists say and what makes common sense is people at the top end of the income scale, who can afford to pay a little more, that's the place where we can raise the rat
MSNBC
Nov 29, 2012 1:00pm PST
of young voters as long as it's anti-gay. these are hard questions. bill clinton, and matt is right about this, bill clinton brought the democratic party -- it wasn't a break with its fundamental values but he brought it forward to a place where it could win elections again. it's going to be tougher for the republicans because those folks in the iowa caucuses are going to stand there and say who is the most anti-gay candidate, who is the most anti-immigrate candidate and the person who is is most likely to win the caucuses. >> what clinton did was took on tough issues for the party, crime, welfare, trade, and he repo significanced with a substantive debate. >> indeed. let's hope they can begin by being no longer anti-factual. our thanks to bob and matt. thank you. >> next, mr. boehner and his kurt statement to the white house. does the speaker really speak for anyone anymore? stay with us. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my ph
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2012 9:00am PST
-american. maryland did it. >> i'm curious why you think president bill clinton since he has the freedom hillary doesn't, why hasn't he apologized for this stain on his record? >> in 2009 before obama, not a very expansive or hugely heartfelt way, said i'm now for marriage equality. again it was not a big statement. i think he feels like i did that, what more do i have to do. i think doma is such a nasty bit of legislation, codified bigotry, it calls for more robust than that. >> the important divergence that frank is identifying between the two democratic presidents. president obama's justice department did make the unusual step of deciding not to defend the constitutionality of doma, typically the justice department defends everything because it is the lawyer of the laws of the land. here they have the discretion to do otherwise. they did otherwise. it makes a difference. as the lower courts and potentially the supreme court, as they look at this, they look to the political branches and now we have the president of the united states, one of the political branches saying this is not constitutional, i
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 2:00pm PST
. not in the way you might imagine. michelle obama and bill clinton have been nominated for grammy awards. the first lady was nominated in the best spoken word category for the audio version of "american grown" the book that tells the story of the white house garden and encourages healthy eating. anned former president was nominated in the same category for "back to work" why we need smart government for a strong economy. the returns for this ration will be on february 10th when we'll find out who won. heart healthy . step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. is the same frequent heartburn treatment as prilosec otc. now with a fancy coating that gives you a burst of wildberry flavor. now why make a flavored heartburn pill? house garden and encourages we'll be right bachouse garden we'll be right bachouse garden we'll be right bac >>> welcome back to "hardball." did republican efforts to suppress the vote backfire this time? in dozens of states they made eff
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2012 4:00pm PST
imagine. michelle obama and bill clinton have been nominated for grammy awards. the first lady was nominated in the best spoken word category for the audio version of "american grown," the book that tells the story of the white house garden and encourages healthy eating. and the former president was nominated in the same category for "back to work, why we need smart government for a strong economy." the returns for this race will be on february 10th when we'll find out who won. we'll be right back. ...but he'd wait for her forever, for any reason, and would always be there with the biggest welcome home. for a love this strong, dawn only feeds him iams. compared to other leading brands, it has 50% more animal protein. ...to help keep rocky's body as strong as a love that never fades... if he ever lets her leave again. iams. keep love strong. >>> welcome back to "hardball." did republican efforts to suppress the vote backfire this time? in dozens of states they made efforts to keep people, especially minorities and poor people, from getting to the ballot box. they shortened early
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2012 6:00am PST
president bill clinton. the guy with whom he will have to make a deal to end the standoff on the fiscal cliff house speaker john boehner requested time on fox news to publicly declare the president's opening bid a nonstarter. >> i was flabbergasted. we're nowhere. >> treasury secretary tim geithner did the full ginsberg with taped appearances on all five shows. nothing will happen until budget tax rates and the ball is now in their court. >> the only thing that stands in the way of a deal right now is if a group of republican members decide there have been a block because they can't afford the wealthiest 2% of americans. >> how much is theater and how much are the two sides locked into positions that remain far apart? the president's plan called for higher tax rates on the wealthiest americans to the tune of $1.6 trillion over ten years along with the combination of new spending and some spending cuts. mitch mcconnell said he, quote, burst into laughter. still, the white house is making it clear until the republicans counteroffer. >> we didn't say how or how much or who should pay. >> t
MSNBC
Nov 30, 2012 3:00am PST
can tell you, it's not a hard ask, it's a partnership. and actually, as much as bill clinton and newt gingrich loatheds each other at times, they worked together to deal with -- >> on impeachment. >> to deal with republicans like myself on balancing the budget for the first time in a generation, balancing it four years for the first time since the 1920s, paying down the national debt. and you know what? newt gingrich always had to fight us on his right flank, and he and bill clinton sat in the white house and strategized. >> i have a question. >> republican votes for that first clinton budget that set them on the path. >> joe, i've got -- >> hold on. come on, richard. you must have been sleeping or somewhere in britain in '95, '96, '97, '98 and '99 when we balanced the budget for the first time in a generation. >> joe, i have a question for you. let's say boehner goes back to his caucus and says, you know what? from the president's first proposal, i was able to shave off $600 billion in tax hikes. >> right. >> so i saved that. >> by the way, we're going to end up at, like, 1.2, aren't
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2012 2:00pm PST
for the event taking a picture of herself. here she is and secretary hillary clinton. bill clinton along others says said if there's a movie made by hillary clinton meryl streep should get the part. >>> next, secretary who? at a u.n. event to benefit people with disantibiotics, john mccain took on the rumors of who will be the next secretary of state after an introduction from john kerry. >> senator mccain. >> thank you very much, mr. secretary. >> kerry stepped up again after mccain but refused to bite on that one. >> thank you very much, mr. president. this is what happens when you get two losers up here, folks. >> that was a good line. kerry has been careful to stay clear of the public speculation about whom the president will actually pick to replace hillary clinton. >>> also, ads governor jan brewer, she's a heavyweight, in a comment about global warming. she doesn't think it's man made, but her own explanation for climate change is rather lacking. here is what she told a local reporter. >> everybody has an opinion on it, you know, and i probably don't believe it's manmade. i believe that,
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2012 7:00pm PST
bowles idea. they summarized the testimony that the bill clinton chief of staff last year gave about what he thought might kind of be a workable budget deal way back then. because bowles is a democrat, the republicans thought they he could try to pretend that agreeing with a single democrat means that they are actually willing to compromise big time even though erskine bowles is a very easy democrat to negotiate with, unlike the actual elected democrats in washington. in other words, erskine bowles is willing to compromise on things or was willing to compromise on things that the democrats are not willing to co comp pro mice on. which means that it's utterly meaningless on your way to try to get a deal with the president of the united states. erskine bowles' proposal included a $600 billion cut in medicare spending which he achieved by raising the medicare eligibility age. so republicans just proposed raising the eligibility age for medicare, a proposal that polls show is supported by a full 30% of the american people and rejected by only 67% of them. white house communications director d
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2012 2:30am PST
rate we had when bill clinton was president and our economy kree aed nearly 23 million new jobs. >> and there are reports that republicans are considering a doomsday plan should talks break down. according to senior republican sources the gop would allow a vote on extending bush tax cuts for the middle class and nothing more. under one variation of this plan, house republicans would vote present on the bill to voice their disapproval but still allowing it to pass entirely on democratic votes. >>> with hillary clinton wrapping up her final trip abroad as secretary of state, president obama is expected to announce his pick to replace her at the state department as early as this week. the white house says no decision has been made. but u.n. ambassador susan rice and john kerry are rumored to be the top choices. senator john mccain, one of rice's most outspoken republican critics has been a long time friend of kerries in the senate and there was a light moment between the two at a press conference yesterday. >> i would hope our colleagues would leap at the opportunity to do that. se
MSNBC
Nov 29, 2012 2:30am PST
of state. and bill clinton's state department, she was in charge of african policy including controversial decisions on sudan. today republicans also blamed her for another security failure, the embassy bombings in kenya and tanzania 14 years ago and politics can be personal. in the 2008 obama campaign, rice ridiculed john mccain for wearing a flak jacket on a baghdad walking tour while claiming iraq was safer. >> that was andrea mitchell reporting. >>> as most people focus on susan rice and john kerry as the frontrunners for the secretary of state job, a new report suggest that's former republican senator chuck hagel is also vetted by the white house for a potential security post. >>> overseas, egyptian president mohamed morsi is expected to call for unity while addressing his nation today. tension still very high after he issued an edict that will give him sweeping power above the reach of judicial review until a new constitution is adopted. they're rushing to finish a new draft of the constitution that could see a vote as early as today. but with protesters continuing to clash with riot
MSNBC
Nov 28, 2012 11:00pm PST
under bill clinton. and everybody knows that. 23 million jobs, balanced budgets, all the rest. it's not going to hurt anything. the second thing, the automatic spending cuts. so my view is we can climb down that cliff by doing what the president says on taxes, bringing home the money from the wars, and stopping those automatic cuts. we're off the cliff. and then we get together with goodwill, right in january with the new senate and the new house, and we hammer out the long-range solutions to all this. >> i want to you listen to something that your colleague, pattie murray, from washington state said on alex wagner's show about this fiscal cliff and her attitude toward it. i want to you react to it. >> sure. >> it's not a good idea to go over the fiscal cliff. no one wants to see that happen. it is a bad idea. but a worse idea is to accept a compromise that allows the wealthy americans to continue to not pay their fair share because the result of that will be middle class families will bear the entire burden of the challenges that this country faces. that's not fair or responsible
MSNBC
Nov 29, 2012 3:00am PST
. you go back to bill clinton's tax rates which we did pretty well under bill clinton, you cut some defense spending, which isn't going to get cut otherwise because the defense contractors are in practically every congressional district in the place. and you do make some human services cuts which i don't like but everybody's going to have to put something on the table here. >> steve rattner, i'm sure you would beg to differ with what howard dean had to say as far as the fiscal cliff goes. he says it's not a fiscal cliff, it's more like a fiscal slope. there are some people that occupy the left side of the american political spectrum that would agree with howard dean saying listen, it's really not that big of a deal as deficit hawks are making it out to be. you would disagree, i would guess. >> well, i think howard is disagreeing a little bit, too. i think howard is saying it's time for meaningful deficit reduction. howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if
MSNBC
Nov 29, 2012 10:00am PST
in 1999 and 2000 the best effort, and last effort of bill clinton, camp david meeting and from his perspective, what he's written about since and spoken about since, yasser arafat did not come prepared to make a deal, yasser arafat waiting for a sign-off from the various arab leaders, he didn't get that, and he didn't have the courage to lead, and that was the moment. there have been other moments, missed opportunities, even often said, under arafat he never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity, and you also have the failures of the two palestinian factions to come together. so israel can argue, despite their land grabs, which you have stated and which most people in the world would acknowledge that israel can say we didn't have anyone to negotiate with because we has hamas, fatah, two factions that could not come together. >> at the end of the day, this is about land. and as i said, the israelis are the only party that's able to, through their capacity, through their use of force to change the landscape. and so, you know, we could talk about the peace process and different
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2012 1:00pm PST
. her president, former president bill clinton, was president obama's key surrogate during this election cycle, setting the stage for president obama to return the favor in 2016. if she so decides to run. remember earlier this week, she was at the save and center for middle east policy and they ran that glossy video that felt like a campaign video in which she was praised by a number of officials, including president benjamin netanyahu. the stage sbing set f that's what she decides. if you go deeper into that poll, 66% of women say she should run, so higher than the national average. that would be one of her core constituencies. those close to me tell me when she steps down she'll focus on resting. >> to be frank, though, i think she's deserved a well-deserved rest. >> reporter: absolutely. i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. look th
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Nov 30, 2012 6:00am PST
of bill clinton terry mcauliffe as the democratic nominee. some people are painting this as a tea party against the clintons in mcauliffe. things can still happen. it looks like a fascinating race. >> chris, as you know, political reporters, we only have two gubernatorial races to cover. we give a lot of attention to virginia and new jersey. what's fascinating about virginia, since i've been covering politics on the national stage, the off-year election has proved to be a template if that party that's out of power wins. 2005, tim kaine ends up running a race, appealing to independents, sfresing his religious faith. actually kind of having a very soft appeal to a lot of folks. he's adopted that 2006 and 2008. a lot of the ideas barack obama ran on in 2008 was tim cane. >> he endorsed him for president, just as a sidebar. >> mcdonnell was focused like a laser on the economy. what did we see republicans do? focus on the economy. try to turn social issues away. he was very successful in 2005. house republicans and senate republicans successful. mitt romney not so much in 2012. that's why vi
MSNBC
Nov 29, 2012 7:00am PST
campaign between bill clinton and george h.w. bush and no one would have predicted that two two dedecades on they would pretty close friends working on projects together. sometimes it's still acrimonious between former competitors, but it this relationship could being akin to that clinton/bush relationship. >> so let's say he doesn't have any public role in the sense of in this administration. matt, what do you think, what does he do next? >> a lot of people are speculating sort of what he might did. it's hard to tell what mitt romney himself is thinking. right now he's enjoying kicking back. you saw photos of him pumping gas, not a generous photo by any stretch, but other photos of him riding roller coasters at disneyland. next who knows. but he is having an office and the office is in boston. so there have been speculation right after the election that he may sort of relocate for all intents and purposes to the west coast and to his house out there. so it does seem like he'll keep his ties in boston at least. >> good to see you gentlemen. thank you. >>> today's tweet of the day mixes po
MSNBC
Nov 29, 2012 9:00am PST
if congress refuses to ask. we go over the fiscal cliff rates reset under bill clinton and you're negotiating a tax cut not a tax increase. other thing the way weight of public opinion since that level has moved strongly against republicans. look who the public says they're going to blame if we go over the cliff, it's republicans because they see them as having forced the issue last time around, been willing to do this this time around. one reason boehner is grumbly and nervous because he doesn't have any leverage. >> i want to point this out. this is interesting in terms of the smoke and mirrors how this will play out for the republicans. in the "wall street journal" they write obama's flexible on highest tax rates. white house's flexibility, described by bowls, confirmed by the administration officials, could envision tax rates -- tax rate increase from the current level but was less than clinton era levels. if the republicans can say, we cut taxes from where they were under clinton it gives them cover though rates may go up. a weird, if there is an act of kabuki theater that would be it, r
MSNBC
Nov 29, 2012 12:00pm PST
and said i still think he's an s.o.b. when nixon's wife died he complained that bill clinton, quote, came to me for advice to save his bottom and couldn't even send a cabinet member to pat's funeral. these are relationships forged around rivalries. i think it's impossible to expect, especially these two, to move forward and have a lunch. it's weird. >> yeah. they seem to really actually have total contempt and disdain for one another. which is different than, you know, i think the president did have a certain level of respect for mccain. i will say your intro, jonathan, about costco, i was thinking i love the joe biden image at costco. if the two guys, mitt romney and the president, were like wandering through costco together, getting samples, that would be a beautiful image. >> that's not weird, but sitting down at lunch is weird? >> one thing i feel like they might actually have in common, i feel like they both might like costco. we'll have to speculate on that. the thing is for me, not only is there no substance here, but even the symbolism of it, what does it really matter? nobody --
MSNBC
Nov 30, 2012 8:00am PST
that you had when bill clinton was president. and i would like to remind everybody, we had the greatest prosperity then when everyone paid their fair share. 23 million new jobs. and why is it? because the middle class had the money to spend out there, to stimulate this economy. it's a consumer-driven economy. about 70% of the economy is consumer driven. and the other thing the president put on the table, i understand, is refinancing proposal. >> right. >> where people trapped in 7%, 8% mortgages can go down to 4% and 5% mortgages have money in their pocket. these are responsible homeowners to spend out there. so the republicans, i think they're brooding. i think they're upset. i think they're in shock over this election. and they are behaving badly in this sense. we can join hands and take care of the tax cuts for 98% of the american people. can you imagine if i told you, we were in an argument and i gave you 98% of what you want, wouldn't you grab it? this doesn't make any sense to the folks out there. and that's why the courageous republicans like tom cole deserve a lot of credit. but
MSNBC
Nov 30, 2012 1:00pm PST
years. i remember when newt gingrich played the game of chicken with bill clinton and the question was who is going to get blamed? well, it was the republicans, and it was newt gingrich. and it look as though it's going to happen once again. republicans in the house especially are going to be blamed, and that means bad news for republicans not only over the next couple years but also in -- well, really over the next several elections. we don't even have to limit it to the next election. >> dr. peterson, mr. boehner also said something very curious today. he said, and i'm quoting him, he took a great risk in his speech the day after the election when he said he was open to more revenue. he was putting revenues on the table, but the only thing he said was exactly what mitt romney had been saying for the last years, closing loopholes and reducing deductions. >> and, martin, he still had to walk that back afterwards. professor reich is right here. what the american people need to understand is that we're looking at a political party that for different reasons can sometimes put politics
MSNBC
Dec 2, 2012 1:00pm PST
afternoon golf with those guys. former president bill clinton, former dnc chair terry mccauliff and ron kerr. it's the president's third outing since winning reelection. only the second time ever, though, he has played golf with former president clinton. president obama has a full day today. >>> coming up, as another u.s. base comes under attack in afghanistan, we will look at what the war on terror will look like after american troops come home. >>> plus, there's the question of what to do with the several hundred detainees still locked up at guantanamo. we'll cover it all. the brain trust is here. they won't disappoint. they won't disappoint a whole lot. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this pl
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Dec 3, 2012 9:00am PST
's not a coincidence that the president was golfing with bill clinton this sudden. that is as much the president likes golf as much as an effort to say, here i am with the great dealmaker, the reasonable guy that everybody likes, regardless of whether clinton's actually giving him any advice on this although i'm sure he is. >> if you look back to the health care debate obama tried to appear reasonable last time and that didn't work well for him. what he's doing now is all the things he didn't do last time. starting with the unreasonable position, with what he wants rather than what he thinks he'll get which is a better bargaining position. he's going out and trying to get people to pick up the phone, take up, you know, twitter and facebook and tell congress we want to get this done. so he's doing a lot of the things from a negotiating standpoint that he didn't do last it time around, while still, you know, kind of queuing up the blame game as both sides are doing to make sure that other guy takes the fall if it doesn't work. >> and i think to eric's point, this is why you hear the bill crystals of the
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2012 12:00pm PST
on that pledge not to raise the tax rates towards the bill clinton era. how will this play around in the white house? we don't know. this tax rate point has been a very difficult sticking point. both sides have stayed on and they continue to stay on this in their second offer. what you see is some sort of possible framework for a large scale deal. the $2.2 trillion number, republicans are the first to tell you is bigger than $1.6 trillion the democrats outlined last week. they believe from discussions that have occurred over the last few years in regards to the debt limit and simpson-boles and in regards to the budget control act other biden talks with eric cantor there is some way forward. this is their blueprint for it. the wonks get deep in the policy. we asked questions in the briefing about that. i asked about the further discretionary savings, 300 billion, about what type of programs are included that. the house progressive caucus is hesitant to cut anything like food stamps that have been on the chopping block before. they say there's a caps that house committees would agree to. what we
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Dec 4, 2012 6:00am PST
to be this way. 1992 when bill clinton unseated george h.w. bush, these same counties, won 60% with the whole foods market. 40% with cracker barrel. so that was a 20-point gap. it's a 48-point gap now. >> there are some older votes, maybe the old fdr coalition that have shifted to the republican party. the democratic coalition of younger voters, hispanics, african-american, is just growing in size. >> if you had to pick a couple of counties that would epitomize that shift, you look at ohio and the white working class counties along the ohio river, coal country, belmont county, ohio, gave john kerry 52% of the vote in 2004. obama only won 44.7% this time around. if you had to look at a county that captures where democrats are doing better and better, it's probably in your home state, chuck, osceola, florida. outside of orlando, kissimmee, st. cloud, huge growing puerto rican population. consider that john kerry only won 47% of the vote there in 2004. guess where obama was this year? 61.7%. >> i challenge anybody to find another county with that dramatic of an uptick, that size of a county. spe
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Dec 4, 2012 2:00pm PST
against bill clinton. i think we've made progress in some other areas. clearly be done and we have the deniers of global warming, but we're reducing the amount of oil that we import. there is progress in that regard. on the other hand, there's been, i think, retrogression in the recognition of two of the great accomplishments of america in the 20th century, with social security and medicare. before those two, we did not have the possibility for the average older person who wasn't wealthy to have a decent existence in retirement. we now have that. i'm sorry to see that pulled back. there's also an international event, for the first time, and i think we have to recognize this. from 1940 to 1990 we had very heavily armed, very bad people threatening our very existence as a society. even though we may have exaggerated that a little bit at the end. we don't have that anymore. we have murderous thugs and terrorists but they're not the nazis or communists. they don't threaten our very existence. we have an ability now, i believe, to reduce some of the resources we put into self-protection
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Dec 4, 2012 4:00pm PST
issue bob dole was using against bill clinton. i think we've made progress in other areas. clearly environmentally. we have deniers of global warming. but we're reducing the amount of oil we import and use. there's progress in that regard. on the other hand, there's been some retrogregs in the recognition of two of the great accomplishments of america in the 20th century with social security and medicare. before those two, we didn't have the possibility for the average old person who wasn't wealthy to have a decent existence in retirement. we now that v that and i'm sorry to see that pulled back. there's also an international event. we have to recognize this. from 1940 to 1990, we had very heavily-armed, bad people threatening our existence as a society. we don't have that anymore. we have the thugs. they are not the communists. they don't threaten our very existence. we have an ability now, i believe, to reduce some of the resources and do more things at home. although there's an ideological barrier. >> i know you love the congress. tip o'neill once said the people are better now.
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Dec 5, 2012 9:00am PST
in the catskills something benjamin wallace wells has always wanted to do. and an exclusive speech by bill clinton and a photo with him, which is actually priceless. lunch with obama body man reggie love which i think has set hearts aflame across the united states. >> you'red bying on that. >> i might be. >> and a character named after you and john irving's upcoming novel which i believe josh greene -- i feel like you've figured prominently john irving novels. >> will you be the villain or hero? >> probably depends on the size of your bid. >> informant. it's ongoing right now. >> yes. >> we're trying to dream up exciting item that maybe coming on set to visit with the "now" with alex wagner team should be up there. >> we're going to fix that. that will be up there by dinner time. >> look at that. bid high, america. we have to leave it there. thank you to my panel, benjamin, kerry, karen, josh and melinda. that is all. i'll see you tomorrow noon eastern, 9:00 pacific when joined by richard wolf, michael eric dyson, brian anderson and rana fa roo har. find us at facebook.com/now with alex. "andrea m
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Dec 6, 2012 11:00am PST
jersey alone will spend almost $37 billion on rebuilding. michelle obama is competing with bill clinton for a grammy for best spoken word album. the first lady red the audio version of "american grown," the story of the white house garden. the former president narrated his book "back to work." those are a couple of things we thought you should knowment time for the news narc gut check. treasury he secretary tim geithner told cnbc yesterday that the obama administration is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if republicans refuse to raise tax rates on the wealthiest americans. take a look. >> when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, if republicans do not agree to that is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthy. >> orrin hatch called that one of the most stunning and irresponsible statements he's heard in some time. what does your gut tell you? do you support the obama administration's decision to go over the cliff? that does it for this edition
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Dec 6, 2012 12:00pm PST
bill clinton did with medicare as president was cut it and was to, in fact, cut it more than any president had ever cut it before. there were no whimpers out of anyone in the democratic party. it was part of a $500 billion bill, 250 billion of it was tax increase we did, and 200 billion approximately was medicare cuts, also medicaid cuts that were in that bill. they were all done on the so-called provider side. that's the way they tend to do that. those are very difficult cuts to make because we've made so many of them in the past. so that side of the of the system is kind of cut to the bone at this point. >> all right. lawrence o'donnell, thanks for hanging with us. will you hang out again sometime? >> this is a lot of fun. no-homework tv is a lot of fun. >> up next, forbes's list of the most powerful people in the world is out. [ male announcer ] when ziggy the cat appeared at their door, he opened up jake's very private world. at first, jake's family thought they saved ziggy, but his connection with jake has been a lifesaver. for a love this strong, his family only feeds him i
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Dec 2, 2012 9:00am PST
they generate a surplus in these times. >> they did it during bill clinton. >> that was a couple decades ago. >> lyndon johnson was president. it can be done. both parties are guilty. the democrats spend more money without raising taxes. you can't do those things. this is a balance sheet deal. this is not a democratic versus republican issue. the difference between the parties is how much taxes and how many cuts. you need both. we are going to be in for some rough economic times, but it's going to be two quarters. that's what's going to have to happen. i don't think the compromises will be made that need to be made. let me say something about sbiesbie entitlements. we can get $400 billion out of medicare by doing one thing. and that's simply pay doctors and hospitals by the number of patients, not by the number of procedures they do. that's a simple thing to do. we need to pay by the patient, not by the procedure. you're going to have control over cost. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. appreciate your time. >>> in today's office politics, my conversation with "the today show" and willie geis
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Dec 6, 2012 3:00am PST
." >> not reaching out aggressively enough like bill clinton, lbj, ronald reagan did. and also it was critical the first four years about him not reaching out enough to the business community. he didn't understand the business community, according to ceos who supported him for four years. but steve rattner, he's made a pretty dramatic shift since the election, and certainly i salute him for doing this, he actually is very engaged with the business community. and i'm not hearing the sort of things from top ceos and business leaders today that i heard the first four years. maybe -- maybe he's leaning in here and trying to rebuild a relationship with some of these people who supported him in '08. >> and i think it goes both ways. i think the business community views this deficit thing as the biggest problem that we can solve that we need to solve. there's something called a campaign to fix the debt, which i'm on the steering committee, 120 leading ceos from everything from general electric to jpmorgan on down. really committed to doing something and accepting the idea that revenues have to go up,
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Dec 4, 2012 3:00am PST
his son's aspberger's syndrome. two eye-opening visits with former presidents bill clinton and george w. bush. that'll do it. at the end of their journey, ron concluded this in part, quote, rather than sweat over it, i now realize how much i'd miss if he was ant an aspie, his humor, bluntness, obsessions with everything from video games to family. i saw through both presidents a successful future in tyler. in clinton, big possibilities for a boy with sharp mind and rough edges. in bush, tyler's gift of humor as a means to find confidence in himself and connections with others. i learned that while tyler was not my idealized son, he was the ideal one. in the oval office years ago, i thought bush had ordered me to love that boy in spite of his idiosyncrasies, now i realize i love my son because of them. okay. i'm going to cry. that's beautiful. >> thank you. >> sounds like an incredible journey for both of you. >> it was. it was my wife's idea. and it's a remarkable gift she gave us to make us go on the road together. and the two presidents, the graciousness they showed in spending time
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Dec 3, 2012 3:00am PST
. >> real quick, who's the republican bill clinton in this case? >> who could argument? i don't know. who is that? maybe michael steele. >> you see where that got me. >> is there a senior statesman in the republican party who could go to the republican right and bring them over? is there one? >> reporter: tom coburn. >> kelly, go ahead. yeah. >> reporter: i would say tom coburn of oklahoma who has a lot of credibility on these conservative issues. bob corker of tennessee is a voice who has been trying to make a bigger imprint. and one of the things to factor into the unity you're seeing with the republican leadership which does feel different this time around is while boehner has been selected by his fellow republicans to be the leader of their conference as speaker, he must be elected in the new congress in january. so he's got something on the line here, too. there's a lot of confidence about the future of his speakership, but it isn't official yet. and so he's got to play this very carefully from just the perspective of holding on to the gavel. >> kelly o'donnell, thanks very much for
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Dec 3, 2012 8:00pm PST
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